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stevenalowe 2 hours ago [-]
"he United States of America, established to overthrow a mad king, has elected, 250 years later, a mad king of its very own. America is setting itself on fire at its birthday party"
Yep. Franklin warned us.
xvxvx 2 hours ago [-]
The simple fact is that America isn’t a real country, it never stood a chance. Europeans living on stolen land and building their economy on slavery and indentured servitude? All the propaganda in the world can’t hide that or stop the collapse that’s gaining speed.
baggy_trough 2 hours ago [-]
Hilarious!
remslave 2 hours ago [-]
Guardian is a British news organization. They will be long destroyed before America, rest assured!
xvxvx 2 hours ago [-]
The Guardian is 205 years old.
yogthos 4 hours ago [-]
I realize it's hard for people to read, but the US is headed for a USSR style collapse, except that it is going to be much worse than 90s Russia due to utter lack of built-in resilience.
People in the Soviet Union lived in state owned housing which meant that nobody got evicted, and you just stayed in your rent free apartment. Public transportation was massive and designed to be maintained with minimal resources, so it kept running, meaning people could still get around. People just kept showing up to work in the former state owned industries because they didn't really know what else to do. There was already a culture of kitchen gardens, barter, and fixing things yourself because consumer goods were always scarce. People were already used to making do and life just kind of went on.
Today, the entire American society is built on a profit driven model where everything is done just-in-time making it incredibly fragile as we saw during the pandemic. The whole housing market is dependent on mortgages, jobs, and property taxes to function. When the paychecks stop and the evictions start there will be a massive flood of homeless refugees from the suburbs, which are completely car-dependent and unsustainable without fuel. American food system is a miracle of logistics that gets lettuce from California to New York in diesel trucks. Once that chain starts to break then the supermarket shelves will be empty in a few days an most Americans don’t even have a clue how to grow a potato.
Then there’s the quality of goods problem to consider. While Soviet consumer products might’ve been crappy and utilitarian in nature, they were built like tanks and designed to be repaired. Many people in eastern Europe still have old Soviet fridges in their apartments. On the other hand, most goods in the US are intentionally designed for planned obsolescence. When the supply chain for new products snaps then people end up with useless and unfixable junk on their hands. And Americans are also in a worse shape physically. So, trying to suddenly live a physically demanding subsistence lifestyle would be very difficult for large swaths of the population.
Finally, there’s the social fabric and atomization of American society. Soviet families were often multi-generational and geographically close which created a natural support network for people. American families are atomized and spread across the country. In a crisis, most people are likely to be stranded among strangers with no incentive to help them. Add to that all the political divisions and things start to look a lot like Yugoslavia before the civil war, it’s a recipe for things getting very ugly fast. While, the Soviet collapse was awful, it happened within a system that was already braced for hardship. The US collapse would be like a comfortable person who has never missed a meal suddenly being thrown into the wilderness with no tools or skills.
andsoitis 3 hours ago [-]
> the entire American society is built on a profit driven model
what do you mean?
yogthos 3 hours ago [-]
I mean that the private sector is the main driving force of the American economy. Companies exist to create profit for their owners and shareholders with any social good they produce being strictly incidental. The purpose of work is to create profit for people who own capital. This is basically the opposite of how state owned economy worked in USSR.
andsoitis 3 hours ago [-]
> I mean that the private sector is the main driving force of the American economy.
That, my friend, is a great thing indeed.
> This is basically the opposite of how state owned economy worked in USSR.
Have you paused to consider that that was an MAJOR reason for its collapse?
yogthos 3 hours ago [-]
It demonstrably is not for the vast majority of the population. Also, the fact that economy was state owned absolutely was not the major reason for its collapse. But I guess you might think that if you haven't spent any time actually learning about USSR.
It's fall was primarily driven by political factors and a failure to reform, rather than having anything to do with state ownership itself. And of course, many successful economies today, such as China, Singapore, and even Norway, feature large state-owned sectors. The USSR disintegrated due to its inability to adapt and modernize while Gorbachev's political reforms unleashed nationalist movements the system could not contain, while the economy was too rigid to respond to change.
andsoitis 2 hours ago [-]
Centralization, uniformity, resistance to challenging the status quo, etc. lead to single points of failure.
Diversity, competition, making mistakes are superior.
yogthos 2 hours ago [-]
Except that capitalist competition is precisely what leads to centralization and concentration of capital. The way competition works is that winners grow making it harder for new players to enter the market. You need more up front capital to even try while the existing players get to leverage economies of scale, and if a new company becomes a threat they can just buy it out or run it out of business. That's precisely how current tech monopolies were born with smaller companies like WhatsApp, YouTube, Instagram, and so on, all being absorbed by a handful of giants.
You're just regurgitating slogans here without any actual understanding of the subject.
fragmede 1 hours ago [-]
It's easy to read Nextdoor or Citizen app, and be very afraid of your neighbor in the US. Gang violence and drugs and guns. Being nice to each other doesn't rile us up in the same way, get me at my keyboard ready to leave a nasty comment online. So fear and anger is pushed online, where attention leads to clicks which leads to ad money for the site. It's a viscous cycle.
Just down the street from me they just started up a very cute nice community garden. I thought oh that's nice and had a smile and didn't jump on Nextdoor to tell someone off. I just sat and thought to myself, that's nice.
So don't let the Internet warp your view of the world by spending too much time here (of which I'm definitely guilty). Touch grass, as the kids say. The US collapse will be livestreamed, but that's just going to be the producers take on reality and not actually the situation on the ground.
yogthos 45 minutes ago [-]
The anger doesn't come from the internet, which is just an outlet. What's driving the anger is the decline in living standards as more and more people are pushed to the brink economically. Majority of the population is barely making ends meet while being crushed by debt. The richest 20% of American consumers made up 50% of spending, that means most people are so strapped for cash they can only afford the essentials. That's the situation on the ground for you.
As the saying goes, every society is three hot meals away from chaos.
andsoitis 3 hours ago [-]
> As the Americans return to their origin, to their primal urge, they are losing themselves. In a kind of atavistic dissolution, the originalists are rendering the constitution increasingly meaningless. The icons are desecrated. They paint over the granite of the reflecting pool.
Granite? Before this recent upgrade, the basin consisted of bare gray concrete. Prior to the major 2012 reconstruction, the original 1924 pool was built with an asphalt and tile bottom. What granite?
But yes, this is a travesty that is a prime example of "losing themselves".
Yep. Franklin warned us.
People in the Soviet Union lived in state owned housing which meant that nobody got evicted, and you just stayed in your rent free apartment. Public transportation was massive and designed to be maintained with minimal resources, so it kept running, meaning people could still get around. People just kept showing up to work in the former state owned industries because they didn't really know what else to do. There was already a culture of kitchen gardens, barter, and fixing things yourself because consumer goods were always scarce. People were already used to making do and life just kind of went on.
Today, the entire American society is built on a profit driven model where everything is done just-in-time making it incredibly fragile as we saw during the pandemic. The whole housing market is dependent on mortgages, jobs, and property taxes to function. When the paychecks stop and the evictions start there will be a massive flood of homeless refugees from the suburbs, which are completely car-dependent and unsustainable without fuel. American food system is a miracle of logistics that gets lettuce from California to New York in diesel trucks. Once that chain starts to break then the supermarket shelves will be empty in a few days an most Americans don’t even have a clue how to grow a potato.
Then there’s the quality of goods problem to consider. While Soviet consumer products might’ve been crappy and utilitarian in nature, they were built like tanks and designed to be repaired. Many people in eastern Europe still have old Soviet fridges in their apartments. On the other hand, most goods in the US are intentionally designed for planned obsolescence. When the supply chain for new products snaps then people end up with useless and unfixable junk on their hands. And Americans are also in a worse shape physically. So, trying to suddenly live a physically demanding subsistence lifestyle would be very difficult for large swaths of the population.
Finally, there’s the social fabric and atomization of American society. Soviet families were often multi-generational and geographically close which created a natural support network for people. American families are atomized and spread across the country. In a crisis, most people are likely to be stranded among strangers with no incentive to help them. Add to that all the political divisions and things start to look a lot like Yugoslavia before the civil war, it’s a recipe for things getting very ugly fast. While, the Soviet collapse was awful, it happened within a system that was already braced for hardship. The US collapse would be like a comfortable person who has never missed a meal suddenly being thrown into the wilderness with no tools or skills.
what do you mean?
That, my friend, is a great thing indeed.
> This is basically the opposite of how state owned economy worked in USSR.
Have you paused to consider that that was an MAJOR reason for its collapse?
It's fall was primarily driven by political factors and a failure to reform, rather than having anything to do with state ownership itself. And of course, many successful economies today, such as China, Singapore, and even Norway, feature large state-owned sectors. The USSR disintegrated due to its inability to adapt and modernize while Gorbachev's political reforms unleashed nationalist movements the system could not contain, while the economy was too rigid to respond to change.
Diversity, competition, making mistakes are superior.
You're just regurgitating slogans here without any actual understanding of the subject.
Just down the street from me they just started up a very cute nice community garden. I thought oh that's nice and had a smile and didn't jump on Nextdoor to tell someone off. I just sat and thought to myself, that's nice.
So don't let the Internet warp your view of the world by spending too much time here (of which I'm definitely guilty). Touch grass, as the kids say. The US collapse will be livestreamed, but that's just going to be the producers take on reality and not actually the situation on the ground.
https://fortune.com/2026/06/26/richest-consumers-powering-us...
As the saying goes, every society is three hot meals away from chaos.
Granite? Before this recent upgrade, the basin consisted of bare gray concrete. Prior to the major 2012 reconstruction, the original 1924 pool was built with an asphalt and tile bottom. What granite?
But yes, this is a travesty that is a prime example of "losing themselves".